ADVENTURES IN CUSTOMER SERVICE: WELLS FARGO DUMPS ON A GRIEVING MOTHER

by Betsy Wuebker on June 25, 2009

Many of you will remember that my dearest friend Judy’s son Ryan passed suddenly and tragically in JanuaryIt’s every parent’s nightmare. When you’re acting as the next of kin, it seems as though there are unending details, unbelievably sad tasks to perform, and very little closure for the raw wound of losing a beloved son.

ryanRyan was sent to the Los Angeles County Morgue, and spent some time waiting in their backlog.  There were delays in getting the appropriate reports, as well as Ryan himself, back to Minnesota.

At one point – and Ryan, being a stand-up comedian, would have appreciated this to no end – it even seemed as though he might be late to his own funeral.  But he made it in time for the show like a true professional. :)

Over these past few months, the reports were done and the official business of closing Ryan’s life continued:  life insurance policies, death benefits from his union, government-related requirements because he was a Navy vet, and all sorts of other details to see through.

84512818JS001_WELLS_FARGO_RFinally everything was in place for Judy to close Ryan’s checking account with Wells Fargo.

The bank’s requirements to do this are pretty straightforward.  A death certificate is needed to begin the paperwork.  That was sent to Los Angeles where Ryan had his account, and the L.A. branch initiated the closing paperwork against the death certificate and faxed it to Minnesota.  Judy then completed her part of the paperwork.  Then it needed to be notarized and faxed out to the branch in Los Angeles.  Only then would they send a check for what remained in Ryan’s account.

Here’s where Wells Fargo blew it. The paperwork, although a lot of back and forth, was flowing along nicely.  Judy completed it, and then needed someone to notarize it.  The young man who was helping her walked her over to another desk, whose occupant was a notary public.  Upon hearing the explanation of the circumstances and what was needed, the woman’s first reaction was, “Are you a customer of the bank?” And Judy’s response was, “No, but my son was.”

Now let’s pause in our little story to discuss some of the ways Wells Fargo could deal with this situation. Most normal people – are you listening, Wells Fargo relationship management? – would have said something like the following:

“Oh, I am so sorry to hear about your loss.  How old was your son?…Oh, what a sad thing.  Here, sit down right here.  Would you like some coffee or tea while we do this?  I’ll notarize this right away for you.  My sympathies.”

and even after it was done, perhaps:

“You know, we could open an account for you right now, and then the money could simply be transferred upon receipt of the fax.  Would you like us to do that?” Surprise! A new customer for Wells Fargo or at least a sympathetic and helpful encounter, right?

Wrong! Here’s what happened:

The woman looked at Judy and said, “Bank policy is we don’t notarize documents for non-customers.  You’ll have to take this to your own bank and bring it back.” This meant that Judy would have to drive to her bank, go in, and pretty much repeat the process she had just completed at Wells Fargo in order for a notary to properly witness the documents.

Judy responded, “Please, couldn’t you just do this for me?  My son’s account was with Wells Fargo in Los Angeles.  I’d be happy to pay for it.”

The woman declined, saying, “We don’t do this unless you are our customer.” The young man who was helping Judy at least had the grace to be mortified, and escorted her to a teller window in another part of the bank, where she finally got the documents notarized.

86370183JS005_GOV_T_STRESS_The next day, Judy had to return to Wells Fargo to pick up a check for Ryan’s last $900.  She spoke with the same young man, and told him she had lost sleep over how insensitive the woman had been.  The young man informed her the branch manager had dealt with the rude employee.  While the exact nature of this disciplinary outcome remains a mystery, we think this situation bears further discussion.

There’s no excuse for an employee being so unempowered as to make an exception to company policy in a case like this.  In fact, Wells Fargo missed an opportunity in this situation, all because an employee, for whatever reason, was unable to service a customer.

A customer is anyone who walks into your bank, Wells Fargo, whether they currently have an account or not.  A customer is definitely a deceased account-holder’s grief-stricken next of kin, trying to wrap up affairs.  A customer is a long-time account-holder, upon hearing this story, who will be moved to take his many accounts and investments to another financial institution, as Judy’s fiance has subsequently done.

It’s a sad state of affairs that a Wells Fargo employee would conclude that they are powerless to bend a rule.  It’s even sadder to think that consequences for doing so might be severe enough so as to make it seem out of the question to an employee.   It’s the saddest state of affairs, however, that Wells Fargo trainers might actually have to address the concept of behaving like a human being, instead of a heartless jackass, with customer service (define irony, here) employees.

While this encounter may have been over for Judy on the day it occurred, and she need have no other occasion to do business with Wells Fargo, the memory of being heartlessly rebuffed when so emotionally vulnerable remains.

So we’re sharing the story of a Wells Fargo employee so constrained by her interpretation of company policy that she forgot about being human.  Whatever circumstances spawned the idea that this was appropriate behavior we’ll never know.  But just like the hurt that resulted from this woman’s unbelievable idiocy will live on, so will this story.  Right here on the Internet.

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Barbara Swafford 06.25.09 at 8:58 pm

Hi Betsy,

First, my heart goes out to your friend Judy. It’s never easy losing a loved one, but to lose a child; that must be the most painful thing a parent could ever experience. Please give her my sympathies.

You know, I realize this story is about Wells Fargo, but I’m thinking of how many other businesses follow the book so closely that they too, lose customers. Maybe Wells Fargo (or any other business) doesn’t see it as a big deal that they might lose Judy’s business, but can you imagine how many people might read this, or hear Judy’s story, have accounts in Wells Fargo and close them? With all of the banks hurting so badly, one would think taking care of their existing customers is of the utmost importance.

As I read about the young man who did help Judy, it makes me wonder if he stayed at Wells Fargo or is thinking he doesn’t want to be affiliated with a company that conducts business like that, either. Granted, she may have been reprimanded, but who’s to say how many other customers she (and others like her) drove away from the bank before she was called on the carpet? Sounds like Wells Fargo needs to spend some time training their employees in proper customer service.

Thank you Betsy for this great lesson. Businesses need to remember it’s their customers who pay the bills. They need to be treated with the greatest of respect.

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Davina 06.25.09 at 10:44 pm

Hi Betsy. It occurred to me that Ryan is more alive than this woman who Judy had to deal with at the bank. I’m sorry to hear that Judy had to deal with this on top of taking care of Ryan’s estate too. This woman is clearly living in an inflexible, dead zone. She’s functioning as a robot. One day she will remember this encounter and wake up to realize how differently this could have been handled.

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Cath Lawson 06.26.09 at 2:40 am

Hi Betsy – This is just plain bad. Judy had enough to deal with, without this a..hole from Wells Fargo making it worse.

Like you say, a bank should not have to train someone on how to be a normal human being. I hope they have now taken appropriate action to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

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Judy 06.26.09 at 4:44 am

Dear Betsy, thank you for this. I cried when I read it. I am so lucky to have you in my life. I appreciate your caring and understanding. I was stunned when she did that to me. I’m glad others see that it was wrong, too.
Love ya,
Judy xox

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Gouch 06.26.09 at 5:45 am

I say let’s write letters!

Wells Fargo
Wells Fargo President and CEO John Stumpf
420 Montgomery St.
San Francisco, CA 94163 (Map)
Phone: 866-878-5865
Fax: 626-312-3015

or
http://www.epinions.com/reviews/finc-Financial_Services-Online-Banks-Wells_Fargo

Also, Betsy, thanks so much for being such a dedicated and vigilant friend.

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Kathy | Virtual Impax 06.26.09 at 6:19 am

I think the point here is that the Wells Fargo employee has the attitude of “I don’t get paid to do that”… and in this case, “THAT” was more than just winning a new customer – in this case – THAT was acting like a human being with an intact soul!

Fortunately most of us are human beings first, employees second. Even if we don’t view it as our responsibility to win a new customer – MOST of us would have had the good sense to pull out our little notary stamp and sign our name.

Notarizing a document sure as hell doesn’t take as much time or effort as say, donating bone marrow!!! Yet every year people do that for strangers they’ve never met. (One of my daughter’s professors donates bone marrow on a regular basis for a single person – a stranger in another part of the country – because they’re both such a rare blood/tissue type!)

Now this woman has blackened the eye of her employer in a time when banks aren’t getting much good PR.

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Mary Hoffman 06.26.09 at 6:22 am

“It occurred to me that Ryan is more alive than this woman who Judy had to deal with at the bank.” Davina, you are exceptional!
Mary Hoffman

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Kim Woodbridge 06.26.09 at 7:26 am

I’m so sorry for Judy’s loss. And it’s unbelievable the way companies and people treat others. Actually, I think it is believable because this sort of thing happens frequently. You made a very good point Betsy about how the kindness could have also brought the bank a new customer.

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Betsy Wuebker 06.26.09 at 10:27 am

Hi Barbara – You are so right. I’ve been helping the woman who bought my gift franchise by ordering some new baby merchandise samples for a presentation with one of our biggest customers. You wouldn’t believe the hoops one of the companies requires you to jump through before they’ll allow you to be an approved customer and send them money. Helloooo?!? It’s a recession, and retail has been hit hard, especially consumer retail, and furthermore your website indicates you have no retailers in our immediate vicinity! Grrrr.

I think most corporate policy arises out of good intentions, or the need for compliance, etc. But seriously, if someone is bleeding on the street and comes into your convenience store with $100 bill to purchase some bandaids, aren’t you going to complete the transaction even if you don’t normally change a c-note? Common sense: not so common. Thanks, Barbara.

Hi Davina – Ryan’s goodness lives on, it’s true, and is more alive than this woman’s brain. Unfortunately her actions live on in someone’s memory. No one deserves to be treated that way. Thanks.

Hi Cath – I hope they have, too. This should be any store manager’s worst nightmare: that an employee in a so-called customer service capacity would behave this way. Thanks.

Hi Judy – I was just horrified when you told me this story. That was the branch where I did most of my banking when I was with Wells Fargo. I never would’ve imagined in my wildest dreams that they would treat someone in this way. I know most of the employees there are very nice. But one bad apple …. I just can’t believe the insult to your raw injury, still. Shame on them!

Hi Gouch – Welcome to PassingThru! Chances are this type of thing occurs on a daily basis in any number of the branches. Thank you for providing the contact information. It might be as simple as emailing the address you provided with a link to this post. Thanks!

Hi Kathy – I knew you’d be all over this subject! You’re right, this could have been such a simple matter, and a great opportunity to offer some solace, connecting with another human being in a time of need. Instead, it was rude, cold, and sub-human. What does it say about a person who makes such a choice? And you’re right, banks don’t need any more fuel to the “insensitivity” aspect of their operations. Thanks.

Hi Mary – You are absolutely right about Davina! Read her blog and find out more! :)

Hi Kim – I know if it were me, if I were treated with kindness in such a terrible situation I’d want to reciprocate with my business, and tell everyone else so they would, too. That’s the flip side of publicizing a lousy experience. Doing business is all about human relationships. Too bad some people don’t get that. It makes you wonder why they would choose customer service as a profession. It’s as though they don’t understand there is still choice when it comes to where we spend our money. Thank you.

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Vered - MomGrind 06.26.09 at 10:52 am

Wow. This is absolutely outrageous.

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Debbie 06.26.09 at 11:54 am

You are so right, by proxy this woman was indeed a customer, she was acting on her son’s behalf. As along as he still had an account there he was still a customer and his assigns therefore were customers too.

The bank not only missed an opportunity, by the telling and re-telling of this experience, they may have lost many new customers.

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susan collins 06.26.09 at 5:18 pm

Hi Betsy, I am Judy’s sister and Ryan’s aunt. Thank you so much for being such a wonderful friend for Judy. This story is heartbreaking. I only hope the message gets through to the people who need to know how to treat human beings in a compassionate manner. Customer relations is the key to success in any business . I miss Ryan so much. Thanks.

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Betsy Wuebker 06.26.09 at 6:01 pm

Hi Vered – I was so shocked when Judy told me what happened. You’re right, it is outrageous. The last thing you want to have to do is take a stand with a jerk when you’re hurting so bad. This is a better way. Thanks.

Hi Debbie – Yes, just a lousy way to handle a situation, and the ripple effect of the repercussions should have been something this woman anticipated even if she was disinclined to be compassionate. Thanks.

Hi Susan – I remember meeting you at the funeral and Judy speaks of you often. The photo you took of Fort Snelling in the blizzard was beautiful – the one with all the graves fading away in the distance. We all miss Ryan. I’m sure he would have had something priceless to say about this. Thank you.

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John Hoff - WpBlogHost 06.27.09 at 4:26 pm

Hi Betsy. How tragic this whole story is. As a father of two and a big family guy, I feel for Judy, her family, and her son.

How people can be so insensitive and rude in this world is beyond me. At least there were people there who realized what that woman did was inappropriate.

We’re all in this world together and we need to work with one another.

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Jeanne 06.27.09 at 7:34 pm

Someone should send this link to the Wells Fargo bank branch….make sure they know that they have a problem employee and the repercussions . It can’t take the hurt and pain Judy has, any better but maybe spare someone else the same situation. I can’t imagine how it would feel when the time comes for me to deal with my mother’s affairs when she is gone. (not that she is sick) Love you Judy….

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Betsy Wuebker 06.28.09 at 5:59 pm

Hi John – I agree; I wonder how this woman’s karma is? Life has a way of handing out just desserts. Thank you.

Hi Jeanne – Welcome to PassingThru! I think a complaint of this nature will resonate with the people who never would’ve acted this way to begin with. Some people are just too oblivious. If I were this woman’s manager, I’d find it difficult to think of an appropriate disciplinary measure. Thank you for coming by!

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John Meisenbach 06.29.09 at 9:29 am

Sounds like the young man who witnessed this was the whistleblower. Good for him. I agree with the posters who say this link should be sent to Wells Fargo Corporate as well as the branch. I would also go as far to say a personal apology by this brain-dead employee to Judy, in front of the entire staff of that particular branch would not be out of the question. As far as reprimand, that is an in house matter, but at the very least her Notary Comission should be revoked immediately.

Hat’s off to John for closing his accounts. Hopefully others will follow.
My suggestion would be to do business with a more local community bank.

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Ben 06.29.09 at 10:07 am

Pretty shocking story.

Even more sh0cking is what it reveals about most people in our society.

The willingness to blindly follow authority and throw their own judgment out the window.

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Hayden Tompkins 06.29.09 at 3:34 pm

WOW. I am…speechless. Speaking of Ms. Post!

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Tracy 06.29.09 at 6:53 pm

My heart goes out to the family, I can’t say anything that hasn’t already been said but I couldn’t go without saying how truly sorry I am for Judy’s loss.

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Betsy Wuebker 06.29.09 at 7:30 pm

Hi John – Funny thing is, this Wells Fargo branch is sort of a small-town one. I banked there for years. Judy didn’t have a choice because Ryan’s account was at Wells Fargo in L.A., so she had to go there. But you’re right, relationships in business do matter, no matter the size of the business. Too bad this woman couldn’t figure that out. Thanks.

Hi Ben – Yep, braindead. I have a feeling from the way Judy described this woman’s behavior, and from the fact that another person at the bank notarized her documents, that this woman was just out to be a jerk because she could be. That’s pathetic. Thanks.

Hi Hayden – I know. Unbelievable, isn’t it. Thanks.

Hi Tracy – I know your thoughts are appreciated. Thank you.

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Patricia 06.29.09 at 8:56 pm

My heartfelt sympathies go out to Judy and her family – a tragic loss.

I can not abide stories about unkindness and lack of human spirit, but I am afraid there are lots of people who are afraid and can only follow rules.

Friar has just written the tale of two brothers – his mother was seriously injured in an accident. One brother was treated humanely at his workplace the other brother was treated rudely and told to us buckle down and focus on his work.

Two stories in one week – that is too many.
Prayers for humanity and kindness
thank you for letting us know

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Lori Hoeck 06.30.09 at 9:01 am

I wish this story of costumer disservice was unique, but it’s not. Yes, the person needed more compassion, but when many employees are penalized for stepping the least bit out of line, put down for original ideas, or never allowed to think for themselves, it is a leadership problem. Call up any “customer service line” and all you will get is someone reading a script. Service is a concept, not a script.

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Betsy Wuebker 06.30.09 at 6:35 pm

Hi Patricia – Anyone who is clueless about how loyalty is earned need only look to Friar’s post and this one. I’m beginning to think this wasn’t about following rules as much as it was being a jerk. Judy told me today the woman was texting as they approached her desk. She may have been embarrassed or annoyed at being interrupted. Amazing. Thanks.

Hi Lori – I agree. The oxymoronic customer service experience is something everyone can related to. It doesn’t have to be this way. But people don’t have to be mean to each other, period. Thanks.

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Robin 07.01.09 at 1:34 am

Hi Betsy – they are unbelievable, aren’t they? Some people haven’t a clue – R

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Jannie Funster 07.01.09 at 5:10 pm

As Robin said, some people just don’t have a clue. Most do. But some do not and unfortunetly that’s how it does.

It’s a matter of just common human decency, but for some reason peopole are just not reared correctly.

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Jay Radford 07.02.09 at 12:11 pm

For Judy,

I was saddened to read this post, and have shared it with others at Wells Fargo. I can’t offer an explanation for how this happened, but the situation does not reflect my company’s culture and values. Please accept our condolences for your loss.

- Jay Radford, Wells Fargo

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Sara 07.02.09 at 12:43 pm

Hi Betsy,

First of all, I send my condolences to Judy for her loss. As others said, the loss of a child seems unbearable.

What happened to Judy at Wells Fargo was unconscionable. No one deserves that sort of treatment. On the other hand, while I can’t excuse what the Wells Fargo woman did, I have known people like her and they’re not always heartless, even though they seem so.

Some people just can’t bend rules when they should. I don’t know why this is so. Perhaps it’s because they’re afraid. Scared to go against a rule because they believe something bad will happen or that they’ll lose their job.

Thank goodness in Judy’s case, the young man was there and helped her.

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Betsy Wuebker 07.02.09 at 9:00 pm

Hi Robin – This is so hard to believe for me, even though I can understand what might make someone think it was correct. Thanks.

Hi Jannie – It just doesn’t make any sense, unless the person is totally devoid of the ability to empathize. I think that’s the case here. Thank you.

Hi Jay – Thank you for commenting and thank you for sharing it with your colleagues. It’s nice to hear that your perception of the company culture and values is different than what Judy experienced. It sure is hard to believe someone would act that way. Thank you.

Hi Sara – You’re right. These types of things generally occur when the person who is supposed to be putting the other person first, doesn’t for whatever reason. Narcissism? The inability to empathize seems to manifest itself more frequently these days. Maybe in the past we were shamed into doing so? I’ve been noodling with this topic and anticipate another post. Thanks.

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