This is the third installment of a joint series of posts with our friend, Dot of Deeper Issues. If you’re just joining us, the first two posts detailed how Dot was dismayed to discover her income was going to take a significant hit in retirement. We offered to share some of the steps we’re taking to deal with similar circumstances, and all of a sudden, a series was born! You can read Part 1 here, and Part 2 here.
In this post, we’ll take up where Dot left off in Part 2 with excerpts from our email conversations. Her responses are in italics, and my responses to her responses are in blue. Dizzy yet? ![]()
About collaborating – that’s not only a great idea, it might even make a great niche! A new blog topic – disappointment about Social Security, loss of our dreams, the bad economy, what we can do instead, where does that leave us, etc. I have a 75-year-old friend who is doing fine. I could possibly interview her on what steps she’s taking to protect her income, or on how she set it up (for the younger readers). One thing she did was buy a bunch of CDs (the bank kind) that came due 10 years apart, so she’d be able to travel each time one came due.
I’ve seen CafePress before, and went to visit Pete’s Zazzle site. I like the idea of photos on products. There’s only so much wall space, but clothing goes on forever. I like the tote bags, but my Borders $5 one is still going strong. $30, phew! Well, I’m not the consumer, I’m the trainee. I’d like to do cards, but who sends cards any more. It’s all email. Hmm. You guys are so full of percolating ideas! I wish I had someone to share this with, so it might feel more fun.
The tote bags are not big sellers. Cards sell – but only the ones that are sent in multiples – like new home, save the date, and now they’re coming out with invitations – those should be good. It’s like trading stock. You do the same amount of work trading auntie’s two shares of IBM as you do 200,000 shares for Wells Fargo – or so my ex told me.
Now. Here is something hilarious. Pete has made over $2K selling his comic books on E-bay. I bitched about them and said get rid of them and this gnarly old trunk they’re in – taking up too much space. So he posts this long whiny narrative about how his wife is making him sell them, and these collectors respond with how their wives hate their comic books too and then they bid them up and buy them from him! Too funny.
About Pete’s comic books, that reminds me of the time a guy tried to sell a wedding dress with a big sob story, and he wore the dress in the photos. Sure gets attention.
Do you have any collectibles or dustibles that you could sell on E-bay? My niece bought a garbage bag full of Legos at a garage sale for $4 and sold them for $120 on E-bay recently. Also she sold a $4 pair of garage sale designer genes for over $100.
Same niece sells her crochet hats in an etsy.com store, and an online retailer just placed a bulk order from her for resale. . . Do you have a craft or handiwork? Slower way to make money depending on what it is. But if you’re creative it’s a great outlet for your art. All kinds of artisans are on there.
I always thought that people who did CafePress and etsy HAD to work at it full time to make any money. Guess I was wrong. I tried to sell crafts years ago but I’m usually not good with the trends and also I can’t sit and do that stuff for too long. I crochet, used to knit and sew a lot, and right now I’m doing (shhh) plastic canvas, which you can’t even sell at yard sales. Small crochet items might work, but only a few at a time.
Your niece has a good eye for what to sell. Legos, who’da thunk it?. . .
I don’t have any great collectibles, except my hurricane lamps, which I’ve been meaning to sell on eBay. I’ve tried to sell books but it’s just too much work for the profit you get. When I get home from sitting at the computer all day, it’s hard to sit at the computer some more. My limits are both time and energy. I posted the link to my niece’s etsy store on Facebook. The little hats she can do in less than an hour. That’s not a bad return.
We are experimenting with Google Adsense on our sites. So far, we have made $1.60. HAHAHA but it begs the observation that affiliate sales and cross-selling to our other businesses is something that we have not maximized. As you mentioned in your recent post, you started your blog to serve one purpose. But Dot, it could serve all types of purpose, not the least of which is a vehicle from which you could hub your extra-curricular, money-making activities.
Yeah, Adsense. We’re not supposed to talk about what we make. I had two people buy something when I first put up the ads, but nothing since. Mike Goad makes some quite good pocket change on his site for trailers. That’s a big ticket item he can talk authoritatively about. Are you an Amazon affiliate? We are, and have thought we could work that better, too. Yeah, I’m an Amazon affiliate. I put that on my new Resources page. They pay better than Adsense, I think, but people have to be crazy to pay full price for books.
We are actively working our travel business, for example: PassingThru Travel. We have yet to even fully tap the reach the blog has. I want to build an email list on travel-related topics. That’s in my plan. With our travel business, we can sell product (wholesale travel club and booking website) to people, we can get commission off their travel bookings on our site, or we can also sign them up for the business opportunity and they can in turn sell it.
People have varying opinions about network marketing. For us, with our interests, this made sense – we love to travel, and we like to hang out with people who do, too. The positive energy is remarkable and uplifting by comparison with the rest of the messages in this economy. If you are looking at a network marketing opportunity, consider the following aspects:
- you have to love the product
- the product shouldn’t ask people to change their habits (like take this supplement, or use this make-up that makes your face break out, or whatever)
- avoid having to pay up front for merchandise samples
- steer clear of having to distribute physical merchandise.
I wish I had given my blog a better name for other topics. People always start out wanting their domain name to help advertise their site, and then later, it becomes a burden. Something like Blue Duck would have worked much better – could be anything. But I could still hook things onto there. I’m working on hooking my genealogy site onto it,. but that’s tedious work. I like Deeper Issues, I think it can be whatever it wants to be.
We have been discussing e-books. I have made my first one – for my friend John, consisting of the series of blog posts we did for his Alaska trip. I did it as a gift to him and to see if I could proficiently design one. Now we are going to work on some others, and set them up within an affiliate system like e-junkie. We have been sorta scared about this one – but it’s time now. We have knowledge to share, and perhaps we can cross-market with squidoo lenses and on our blogs.
Books could be fun. I’ve even thought about making books, as someone else does on Etsy, from homemade paper, but that takes forever. Better to make e-books.
We also haven’t ruled out more blogs – I am a big fan of Shoemoney’s 12 week FREE series on how to get started with niche blogs – check that out: shoemoneyx.com. Let me know if you can’t find it and I will send you the 12 pdf’s. This is the most comprehensive blueprint to internet marketing I have ever seen. Step by step. Not rocket science. Written for real people.
I went to ShoeMoney but a search didn’t find the series. It does look like an interesting site, though. I will send you the series. There are 12.
The huge stumbling block is time. We are having lots of fun at all of this, and we find ourselves working a lot in our home office. Because it’s fun, it doesn’t seem like drudgery and we are setting our own pace. I think you could, too. Get started now, even if it’s baby steps. A couple extra hundred a month is nothing to sneeze at.
I was thinking last night that one thing we Baby Boomers are going to be seeing a lot of is death. It may sound morbid, but I was wondering whether there was a way to invest in stock for a funeral home chain.
Adventures in Customer Service. A lens on that would be good. No one would ever see it, though, until it’s too late. I do think you’re on to something with “Issues that aging boomers are starting to think about.” Funeral and DNR directives, “death panels,” medicare and medicaid, accessible architecture and interior fixture modifications, the differences between assisted living setups, co-ops vs. renting, downsizing. Those are great ideas. The biggest problem is, boomers are mostly not bloggers, so I wonder how online they are at all. It’s a huge audience, but where to reach them? I’m excited about this!
“Through a glass, grimly.” Hah! I like that!



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Because I’m short on time today, I was skimming through the posts on my google reader and, for some reason, I decided to skim this post more slowly. Imagine my surprise to see myself mentioned. Thanks!
My RVing site, Haw Creek, is pretty low maintenance, but it does require new content to keep producing as well as maintenance to keep the links to RV manufacturers up to date and current.
My income there seems to follow the economic indicators. For the last several months it’s been down, but lately, it’s been trending up — and, sure enough, there’s a report out today that RV shipments to dealers are up.
Mike Goad´s last blog ..Saturday morning in Estes Park – on a holiday weekend.
I’m glad Mike had a chance to add more about his RV site. It all helps.
Where did you ever find the wedding dress guy? That’s great! As for the banner, I haven’t been flinging bras since 1977, that was Jannie, but it’s cute. I guess I’ve been flinging them for longer than that. When I get home, first the shoes come off and then the aforementioned item.
I’m proceeding by baby steps. I still need to come to terms with my huge disappointment that I’m not going to (FINALLY) have some time to myself and some energy that isn’t used up by working, and I have no idea what kind of “niches” I want to be involved with.
Dot´s last blog ..Comment on Through a Glass, Grimly – Part 2 by Dot
Hi Mike – I’m glad you chimed in! I want to take a closer look at your RV site, too, so thanks for linking. You’re livin’ the dream.
Interesting how you can anticipate income fluctuations – it’s a good tip for the rest of us to make associations with our niches’ behaviors. The better to speculate!
I’ve enjoyed your photos of Estes Park, too. It is so lovely. My daughter had a fastpitch tournament in Ft Collins several years ago and we parents all enjoyed letting the girls horseback ride at the place right as you come into town. We proceeded on once the girls had saddled up for adult beverages. It was that kind of team.
Thanks.
Hi Dot – I was tickled pink to get these photos out of Apture. It really is intuitive, I’m coming to find out. There were actually several guys wearing wedding dresses, so I picked the one with the nicest tattoos.
Yes, it’s a harsh realization. I won’t sugarcoat how I felt about it: resentful. And I still do at times, despite the brisk “well, let’s not cry over spilt milk” attitude I force on myself. That’s why it’s imperative for me to shoot for something that doesn’t seem like work.
Barbara Swafford commented on Cath’s post today that identifying what she DIDN’T want to do was helpful. Initially what I didn’t want to do, though, was work.
Thanks.
That’s so interesting — I loved reading this! Just yesterday I was thinking of ways to make money doing what I love (before the book is published), and since I’m not crafty, a few other ideas came to mind which I thought had merit.
Reading this post sort of cements that for me, and I’m grateful! Wow! I love synchronicity.
Be well!
Megan “JoyGirl!” Bord´s last blog ..The Unique Gift Awakening Brings
Hmn, a funeral home chain. Well, that ought to be pretty steady business so buying stock in it might well be worth the try.
I guess RV sales are up ’cause people are not taking so many cruises anymore?
NEED to look in to that Amazon Affiliates, been hearing about it forever.
Great bunch of ideas here.
Oh, and how long did it take you to amass that whopping $1.60?

Jannie Funster´s last blog ..Like a bord on a wire, 11– Funny Typos
This is interesting to read and watch the ideas evolve. One sparks another… and so on. Your sending ripples throughout the blogosphere. I wonder as you both are reading back through your email history if you notice NEW ideas coming through too? There is something to this process.
Davina´s last blog ..5. Another Thyme, Another Artist
Did I hear my name being mentioned?
That’s right (about what I wrote on Cath’s blog). By figuring out what I don’t want to do, I am closer to figuring out what I do want to do. In fact, I used that technique for what will be my next project (which is STILL under construction). I’ll do a blog post about it so others can benefit from the technique I used.
With regard to AdSense. I use it on my Observation Mountain blog. The blog has about 200 posts on it and gets a little bit of traffic. When I first put it on, I was making like $0.07 a month, but as time passed I’m now making enough to cover my blogging overhead + some. (Still not big money, but every little bit helps). I use Amazon, but not aggressively. So far I’ve made $12.
I have very few ads on BWAB and prefer to keep it that way. For one, I know most bloggers are not ad clickers, thus it’s best I use my “real estate” space on showcasing posts which will benefit others. Knowing who our target audience is, is key.
Finding out what we’re passionate about and then utilizing SEO to get traffic to our blogs is what will help all of us. And as a group, between linking to others, using Twitter and/or Facebook, we can help to get the word out.
Betsy, I do agree with you on the time issue. With all of us having time commitments elsewhere, it is difficult to put a lot of energy into our online projects, but even a half hour a day will get us further than we were yesterday.
I didn’t mean to make this so long, but did want to share a few things that I’ve learned in the last 2 and a half years of blogging.
I’m looking forward to part 4. Great job, girls.
Barbara Swafford´s last blog ..SEO and Blogging – Keeping It Simple
Hi Megan – Don’t you love synchronicity! I was delighted to find several examples of it in my favorite haunts lately so maybe this is an auspicious time for it. I’m glad you’re finding value in our discussions. Now to work! Thanks.
Hi Jannie – My dad told me if I worked in a grocery store, became a tax preparer or had something to do with the funeral business, I’d never have to worry about a job. He was right, I think, but of course I never did any of it. I do think Dot’s on to something with respect to the issues of aging thing, though. So far I can only come up with “horrifying physical effects you will begin to notice in your 50’s” though.
Thanks.
Hi Davina – It’s funny you should suggest that a re-read would come up with even newer ideas. I agree. I think THE idea is already lurking in this discussion, for both of us. We just have yet to peel aside its cover. This is like a blog brainstorm ™. Haha, I just added the ™. Thanks.
Hi Barbara – Yes, you did hear your name! Never apologize for the length of a comment on PassingThru!
My dad advised your method of finding out what you don’t want to do years ago, and it works.
I recently talked with my daughter about her jobs – saying this time in your life is for figuring out what you don’t want to work at the rest of your life. She’s waiting tables at two jobs and going to school. One thing Pete and I both appreciate about waiting tables – you always have money in your pocket. Or if you’re broke, you can go to work and make enough in tips for gas money. Sometimes I wish I were still young enough to do it!
That’s interesting about your Observation Mountain income growth. What do you think tripped the trigger on the income spike? Age of blog? More relevant posts? Traffic levels? Better ad matching to the content?
One thing you mentioned a while ago is that you had signed up for several affiliate sites. I’m studying affiliate sales right now. Our first forays have been disappointing. I now know that promoting them is the key, and that our promotions could use more work – too clumsy! Finding a “match” is a challenge, too.
I am also sorting out the power of Facebook in blog promotion – there’s a big shift in FBs direction, in my opinion. So I’m studying that.
You have been such a love, Barbara. BWAB holds a wealth of information for the new blogger as well as the one who’s been at this a while. I so appreciate your willingness to share, and also to push us into areas where our knowledge can grow. Thank you so much for all you do.
It’s me again Betsy,
That’s great advice you’re giving your daughters. One thing about being young is that’s when they can try different things and it doesn’t have as large an impact on the future. As we get older, we realize a job with a good retirement package would have been a good choice, but for me, well, that’s water under the bridge…
Re: the income growth for my Observation Mountain blog. I THINK (and this is a guess) it has to do with the age of the blog as I started seeing the earnings slowly increase after a year or so. What’s odd is I haven’t updated that blog for months, so that makes me think the “fresh content” concept may not have as much weight as once thought. (but having 200 +/- posts may help). I try to use SEO but need to reevaluate some of the posts for keywords and maybe do some rewrites and test that, too.
Yes. I did sign up for some affiliate programs but have had little luck with those. It comes down to making good matches; content to ads, and like you said, promoting them – aggressively. Plus, we do need to have traffic coming to our sites. No traffic – no ad clicks. What a vicious circle, ay?
Thank you for your kind words Betsy. I think if we all help each other and stick with it, there’s hope. Meanwhile, it’s a great test of our patience.

Barbara Swafford´s last blog ..SEO and Blogging – Keeping It Simple
LMAO Betsy – I don’t usually point out people’s typos. But I’m hoping your niece sold her designer jeans on ebay and not her designer genes.
It’s amazing what will sell though – I love the way Pete raked in a heap for his comics. Next time I try to sell something on Ebay, I think I’ll have a go at writing a little story too. Mind you, I’m selling a bloody coffee table next, so I’m going to have to be fairly imaginative.
Hi Cath – LOL yeah, lookit that! No way to get dinged by spell-check either. I worry about myself lately. I’m making more typos when it comes to words that sound the same but have two different meanings. Did you know they’re called homophones? So I might be homophone-phobic, eh? I’ll bet we could come up with a great coffee table story, too!
Thanks.
Betsy Wuebker´s last blog ..THROUGH A GLASS GRIMLY, PART 3
Re Adsense, I think it’s pretty much an established fact that well-optimized niche blogs can do well with Adsense, but general blogs, or personal blogs, do poorly with Adsense.
vered | blogger for hire´s last blog ..Internet Addiction Rehab Center: Do We Really Need It?
Came back to read this again before heading over to Dot’s next part…
This post is just chunked right full of ideas. Thank you
Patricia´s last blog ..DIY Healthcare: Working on New Directions
Well guys (gals) – this is STILL all very interesting. I spent so many years going through the process of working out what I wanted to do and how I was going to make ends meet – I still am, of course, but now I’ve got the income from the books coming in, I can be more relaxed about it.
One thing – I got into writing books because I worked as a casual operator at the planetarium here – I was paid hardly anything, they treated me badly, and there was only a little bit of work most of the time (Sunday afternoons) – but I did it because I absolutely loved it (I had virtually no money to live on at the time – I was way below the poverty line). I had no idea anything would come of it – I just knew I wanted to do it (and I couldn’t have done it if I had been working full time)
BTW – I don’t think there will be any growth in funeral parlours

Robin´s last blog ..Can Limitations Be Useful?
Hi Vered – Yes, I’ve read that as well. A tougher road for those of us in niche-defying blogs! Thanks.
Hi Patricia – Thank you! Part 5, just up, summarizes our findings. Glad you’re along for the ride.
Hi Robin – LOL, one wouldn’t expect you to think there would be growth in the funeral industry, given your beliefs. It’s awesome you have residual income from the books you’ve written. That’s an unrealized dream for many unrequited authors. Congratulations! Thank you.
I didn’t know that’s what they were called. I make them all the time. Trouble is, when I read what I’ve written, they seem to make sense and spell check doesn’t pick them up.